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Where/How To Start With 10 Year old and Cheap Microscope?
December 25, 2013
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 I have a 10 year old son and he got a cheap microscope for xmas and he's very keen to use it.  

 

 It came with some slides and he finds looking at them exciting but I, frankly, find them disappointing.

 

 Seems to me he'd be better off looking at something like pond life.  I'd find it more interesting.

 

 His scope was made by 'Penline Australia' and is sold by the Australian Post Office (i.e. a reputable but non-scientific organisation – don't ask me what they're doing selling microscopes). 

 

 It has three stages of magnification: 100x, 400x, 900x.

 

I've been advised that such scopes are total rubbish and I should get him something else as soon as possible before it destroys his enthusiasm.

 

So I've googled and I'm here asking:

 

 what, if anything, can best be done with this scope?

 would he be better off with a digital usb/pc scope or are they rubbish, too?

Our/my special interest is biological, biology, structure of living things.

:)

 

p.s. I haven't been on a forum like this before. How does it work? I see no  mention of 'subscribing' to a thread. Will I get an email notifying of responses to this post? Or must I keep returning to this page to check?

December 25, 2013
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2. About the microscopes: As the device is sold by a non-specialist company, it is likely to be a toy microscope. A magnifications of 900x is way too high, produces unclear and dark images. I just replaced my 1000x with 650x, because I never used it.  If you get a new microscope, then you can save on the 100x objective (which produces 1000x total magnification with the 10x eyepiece). These are often quite expensive and not used so much (require oil immersion, etc, too complex).

what, if anything, can best be done with this scope?

Use it as much as you can and learn from it, its advantages and limitations, and stick to the 100x total magnification. Unless you have looked through a non-toy microscope, you will probably not know what you are missing. Once you have looked at a good routine microscope, you probably won't want to switch back. This is, assuming that the microscope is indeed a toy microscope (but as it came along with slides, it probably is).

would he be better off with a digital usb/pc scope

It depends much on how it is made, but I would say that the better devices generally do not include camera systems. They can always be attached later instead of an eyepiece. I personally like the fact that microscopes can also be used without computers, as this simplifies observation (no need to turn on PC etc.). Cameras give you an extra thing to worry about. I would add them later, or take pictures using a mobile phone (adapter review is here: http://www.microbehunter.com/2…..uary-2013/ for pdf download).

The camera will also not produce as crisp of an image, the dynamic range is lower (parts bill be too bright/dark to see) and the field of view is smaller. The visual impression is significantly better through the microscope itself than through a camera.

3. About the slides: order one from eg. Amazon. Making good slides is a science. Or try some of the observation suggestions that magazine contributors mentioned in the pdf version of the magazine.

Oliver.

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December 27, 2013
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As a child, I had a hard time making my own slides and observing pond life. Even though I had some slides that had well in them, I was never able to find any microbes in any of the pond water I attempted to collect. That being said, I say you are better off getting pre-made slides with microbes in them. He'll actually be able to see something meaningful in those.

 

I wouldn't worry too much about the toy microscope/versus "real" microscope thing. Until he actually uses a "real" microscope, your son will never know what he is missing. The important thing in my mind is that he is enjoying himself looking at anything under the scope. Also, keep in mind that it isn't the microscope itself that will inspire your son. It is what he is going to see under the microscope that is inspiring. I would advocate buying a large collection of pre-prepared slides. I bought a set of 100 samples from AmScope for roughly $50 and I have stuff ranging from plant stems to bee eyes to rabit blood smears. My kids and I have been having a blast looking at them so far. 

 

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I think that you lose some of the intimacy with the sample and what you are doing when you use a digital microscope. For that reason, I'd stay away from them when introducing microscopy to a child. But then again I'm also one of those weirdos that doesn't believe is text messaging, face book, email,…

 

I doubt that I really answered your questions, but I hope that I helped you out somehow.

December 28, 2013
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Hi abrogard,

Pond water can be both interesting and a challenge.  If the water looks clean and clear then it probably is with little life to see, if it's scummy and or murky there's a good chance of some interesting organisms.  Take a jar of your chosen water home ( include a little matter from the bottom), place a small drop on a clean slide and add a clean cover slip and see what can be observed with the microscope.  Do not be too disappointed if you cannot find much on your first viewing of a sample, place the open jar on a window sill and you will probably find the population of microbes will develop over the next few days to weeks.  Finding pond organisms is a combination of luck and skill developed through experience.

Good luck.

Peter.

December 28, 2013
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Peter said

Hi abrogard,

Pond water can be both interesting and a challenge.  If the water looks clean and clear then it probably is with little life to see, if it's scummy and or murky there's a good chance of some interesting organisms.  Take a jar of your chosen water home ( include a little matter from the bottom), place a small drop on a clean slide and add a clean cover slip and see what can be observed with the microscope.  Do not be too disappointed if you cannot find much on your first viewing of a sample, place the open jar on a window sill and you will probably find the population of microbes will develop over the next few days to weeks.  Finding pond organisms is a combination of luck and skill developed through experience.

Good luck.

Peter.

The only thing I would add is that if you are attempting to keep things in your jar alive longer than a week or so, you might need to add some nutrients to the system. A few drops of plant fertilizer and/or some fish food would probably do a great job.

 

Maintaining and observing a little ecosystem of pond water and mud could turn into quite a nice project. You could do daily observations from a couple of spots in the jar. Mud from the bottom might have different microbes than water collected next to whatever algae might start to grow a little further up the water column and that could be different from stuff you may (or may not see) in the top or more open area of the jar. I'm getting excited about doing this with my own children just thinking about it!

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  Happy New Year to all.  I think a 10 year old needs your partnership on specific 'planed sessions'.  For very low cost purchase a children/young adult illustrated book along the lines of: "Hunting with the Microscope"…"Exploreing the world with the microscope".  From this book you get topics for 'the adventure'..and clear fun..clear learning goals.  Online such resources are available too.

 

   No more than 20 minutes for your partner session…then you clear out to your world…if intrest in the specific session..your son keeps observing/keeps doing.  At each sitting ( a comfortable chair for each of you…a clear and stable table surface for the scope and session items)..at each sitting it is quick to review the setup of the microscope…the lighting setup..how to handle/ the names of the controls/never touch the lenses..and how to shut down/dust cover/store that microscope.

 

   I think a stereo microscope (one with up to 30-40X magnification) works for observing so much of our world.  Use of two eyes at same time might be tricky for a 10 year old..it's doable.

   A study used black metal student microscope…6X, and 10X oculars..and 4X,10X,40X objectives..and a mirror…you can use an LED pocket torch for the lighting.

 

    Regarding 'pond life'..visit a family or friends freshwater fish tank for 10 ml of filter film/filter sludge + 10 ml of tank bottom water/bottom sludge +..10 ml of green scrapeings off the tanks wall..and a piece of aquarium plant.

 

    But first get the text and fun 'lesson sessions'…jump in as adventure with goals…one day two drawings of snail eggs ( from a fish tank with established snail)…or a drawing of pets hair/pets fine feather..see dog vrs cat vrs rabitt whatever the pets..then one of dads hairs (if he has any!).

 

   The 20 minute sessions, the location of these sessions, the proper set up/use of/shut down each session..the text or online clear and fun adventures…these carry the experience…then it can go where the child needs to go.

 

   A simple point&shoot held to the eyepiece can give first time images to print and talk about at the dinner table.

 

   good luck with your sons microscopy introduction.   charlie guevara/finger lakes/US

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