LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#31 Post by 75RR » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:28 am

This looks like it might be the missing condenser: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOMO-condenser ... SwjLxehvOw

On the other hand the article does mention Phase so perhaps it is this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOMO-Phase-Pol ... Swk1JWcwFa
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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#32 Post by riorio44 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:14 am

75RR wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:31 am
Clutching at straws here but I wonder if the intermediate image is at a different height when using the 2.5x.
If this was the case, what would need adjusted?

I suspect maybe there is a missing element from the rear of the objective.
back of 2.5 obj.jpg
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It seems to me like something is missing, but I don't know what it would look like.

Regarding the condensers, the one with the phase contrast is the one I currently have mounted. The other one has a 1.25NA lens on it and it resembles the other condenser. I have tried the 1.25NA also, with no luck.

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I just came across this image.Image I'm not sure what the piece is next to the objective, but perhaps that is what I am missing?

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#33 Post by 75RR » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:41 am

Regarding the condensers, the one with the phase contrast is the one I currently have mounted. The other one has a 1.25NA lens on it and it resembles the other condenser. I have tried the 1.25NA also, with no luck.
Did not realize that you had both condensers.
I'm not sure what the piece is next to the objective, but perhaps that is what I am missing?
It is to centre the objective on a polarizing microscope. See image:

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#34 Post by 75RR » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:43 am

It might be a good idea to post a photo of your complete microscope instead of just bits and pieces.

Do you have a normal nosepiece or something like in the image above?
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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#35 Post by MichaelG. » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:50 am

riorio44 wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:25 am
I hadn't tried that before. Unfortunately it still isn't focusing. I had tried to remove the 0.85 lens of the condenser with no luck. I placed the neutral density filter over the light output and it allowed me to see a blurred image, yet it still would not focus.

I have a feeling it's something simple that I'm missing. I'm just not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong.
Quoted [with my emboldening] for ease of reference ^^^

If that 0.85 lens is stuck then you need to find a way to release it.
... But let’s get the 2.5x objective sorted first.

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#36 Post by riorio44 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:08 pm

My wording wasn't the best there. I am able to remove the 0.85NA lens. There was no luck with focusing. Sorry for the confusion!

I attempted to photograph the 'focused' image with the eyepiece removed on the 2.5x objective which shows most of the setup of the microscope:
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It is a normal nosepiece. I will take better photos of my setup when I get home.

In the meantime, this is the closest setup to what I have working: Image

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#37 Post by 75RR » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:40 pm

I am able to remove the 0.85NA lens. There was no luck with focusing.
A photo of the condenser with the 0.85 top removed to confirm the 0.30 lens is in position would be useful.

Try to include side shot of 2.5x objective in position - 9mm above specimen + lots of photos of your very interesting microscope as well.
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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#38 Post by MichaelG. » Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:49 pm

riorio44 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:08 pm
My wording wasn't the best there. I am able to remove the 0.85NA lens. There was no luck with focusing. Sorry for the confusion!
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Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#39 Post by MichaelG. » Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:59 pm

riorio44 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:14 am
I suspect maybe there is a missing element from the rear of the objective.
That would certainly explain a lot !!!

Could you get a more detailed photo of the back end of your 2.5x please
... something that we can compare directly with the other image you found.

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Edit: I think this is from the same ebay listing as the one you posted :
LOMO 2.5x 0.05NA
LOMO 2.5x 0.05NA
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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#40 Post by 75RR » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:06 pm

Could you get a more detailed photo of the back end of your 2.5x please
... something that we can compare directly with the other image you found.
Agree that it is not entirely clear if riorio44's 2,5x objective is missing the rear lens or not. A better photo would help.
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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#41 Post by riorio44 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:18 pm

Here are some views of the back of the objective
2.5 angle back.jpg
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2.5 back.jpg
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And the condenser, both with the 0.85NA and without (for 0.30NA)
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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#42 Post by riorio44 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:19 pm

And the POLAM!!!
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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#43 Post by MichaelG. » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:34 pm

Thanks for the pictures

The objective looks complete, I think

So we need another line of investigation

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#44 Post by riorio44 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:41 pm

I'm starting to heavily lean toward putting the 2.5 back in the box!

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#45 Post by riorio44 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:28 am

SOLVED!!!!

As I was taking the 2.5x objective to the retirement home, I decided to disassemble the entire microscope.

Upon reassembly, I noticed threads on the bottom of the intermediate tube. Then the light bulb went off. This random glass piece that was in the box with the objectives that I couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was for, finally had a home.
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I inserted it into the bottom of the intermediate tube and set the rest of the microscope up and eureka it works!!!!

Thank you all who took the time to help me with this. I wouldn't have gone as far as I would with troubleshooting had you guys not shown interest in it. I was about to give up on it and toss the 2.5x objective to the side forever.

Thanks again!

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#46 Post by BramHuntingNematodes » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:32 am

riorio44 wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:14 am
75RR wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:31 am
Clutching at straws here but I wonder if the intermediate image is at a different height when using the 2.5x.
If this was the case, what would need adjusted?

The eyepiece, friend, the eyepiece. You can lengthen the "tube" by pulling back on the eyepiece. See if you can somehow get the image in focus and note how far retracted it is!
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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#47 Post by 75RR » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:28 am

There is something about miniature microscopes ... I suppose the word is cute!

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I inserted it into the bottom of the intermediate tube and set the rest of the microscope up and eureka it works!!!!
:) :)
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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#48 Post by MichaelG. » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:24 pm

Another source of information about the mighty POLAM
http://www.mikroskopfreunde-nordhessen. ... olam-L.pdf

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#49 Post by riorio44 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:29 pm

Thanks for the file. I went ahead and had it translated to English.
Polam-L.de.en.pdf
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I had previously found a document in Russian.
lomo polam_compressed.pdf
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I was able to translate it into 'workable' English.
lomo polam eng_compressed (1).pdf
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Just in case any of you are interested or other LOMO owners need a reference.

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Re: LOMO 2.5 Objective Focusing

#50 Post by alandavison » Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:22 pm

Very grateful for the info on the Polam 213. I have the 211, the photo is almost the spitting image. This helps me enormously.
I do not have either objectives or eyepieces. I do have other 'scopes with telaugic (& cross wires) eyepieces and /160 phase contrast objectives.
Hoping to find an instruction manual.

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