Damaged alga or Vagincola?

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Damaged alga or Vagincola?

#1 Post by 75RR » Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:33 am

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#2 Post by billbillt » Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:43 am

Great!... That DIC makes it look like you could reach in the photo and touch it!..

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#3 Post by KurtM » Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:26 pm

Yep, very striking image, just beautiful!
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#4 Post by 75RR » Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:38 pm

Many thanks billbillt and KurtM
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#5 Post by vasselle » Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:43 pm

Bonjour
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#6 Post by JimT » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:25 pm

Colors and detail are most interesting.

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#7 Post by gekko » Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:14 pm

Great image. Very beautiful. Are you sure it is damaged?

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#8 Post by billben74 » Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:17 pm

Wonderful clarity.
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#9 Post by 75RR » Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:41 pm

Many thanks vasselle, JimT, gekko and billben74
Are you sure it is damaged?
I assumed so from the end (looks torn) but it may just be an unusual alga. Does seem somewhat trumpet shaped.
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#10 Post by Johann » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:38 am

Interesting...
Very good and clear image.
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#11 Post by exmarine » Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:20 pm

Very good image so 75RR what do you think it is?

I am going for Vagincola a peritrich ciliate. It should be very interesting to see what members come up with because there is plenty of room for debate. I will give my reasons why I have said I think its a
Vagincola. This is so I can add something to the debate which I hope endures.
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#12 Post by gekko » Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:53 pm

I thought that t might be Vagincola too, but I felt that I didn't know enough to suggest it.

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#13 Post by 75RR » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:33 pm

Many thanks Johann and exmarine.

Have posted the image in Identification help in the hope the one of our occasional knowledgeable visitors might see it.
With so many posts in Pictures and Videos things drop out of sight very quickly.

Still looking forward to exmarine's explanation.
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#14 Post by c-krebs » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:47 pm

Looks to me like an empty peritrich ciliate lorica (could be Vaginicola) that has been "occupied" by some opportunistic squatters... what they are I don't know.

Nice clean, clear DIC image!

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#15 Post by exmarine » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:17 am

The reason I thought it might be Vagincola is because, the only cilia that are evident are those in wreaths at the anterior end. The cytoplasm of this species is green owing to symbiotic green algae.
The ciliates project from the lorica when feeding but can contract into it for protection when stimulated
e.g. by vibration. A contractile vacuole is visible, the lorica is attached to a filament of alga.

These are my thoughts on the subject, I would appreciate more comments from the membership on their thoughts, thank you.

p.s. I might be totally wrong.
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#16 Post by Rodney » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:51 am

Really nice and clear capture.

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#17 Post by 75RR » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:08 am

Many thanks c-krebs
Looks to me like an empty peritrich ciliate lorica (could be Vaginicola) that has been "occupied" by some opportunistic squatters... what they are I don't know.
That would confuse things nicely!
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#18 Post by 75RR » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:10 am

Thanks exmarine
The reason I thought it might be Vagincola is because, the only cilia that are evident are those in wreaths at the anterior end. The cytoplasm of this species is green owing to symbiotic green algae.
The ciliates project from the lorica when feeding but can contract into it for protection when stimulated
e.g. by vibration. A contractile vacuole is visible, the lorica is attached to a filament of alga.
All sounds very plausible. Have never seen one myself so I can not comment.
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#19 Post by 75RR » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:10 am

Thanks Rodney
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#20 Post by Bruce Taylor » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:17 pm

Great picture of...beats me. :D It is definitely not Vaginicola: the ragged, fringed top edge of that tubular structure, and the general asymmetry of the thing, rule out any sort of loricate peritrich. I don't see any particular reason to think we're looking at a ciliate. I don't see cilia. ;)

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#21 Post by exmarine » Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:05 am

Hi Bruce,
With cilia it can be present but not viewable, if the subject was stained with iodine then the cilia or flagella would become visible. Its a quirk of nature. Also Vagincola are sessile, as shown in the photo.
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#22 Post by exmarine » Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:18 am

I have just found a thread on this site about Vagincola its by molehill with billporter 1456 who is keen on the subject of Vagincola adding his thoughts.
Come on Bill join the fray and put us all out of our misery.

All the best.
Thank you :shock:
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#23 Post by Bruce Taylor » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:55 pm

Hi, exmarine. :)

There's just no record in the literature of an asymmetrical peritrich lorica with a ragged, fringed aperture like this one. The best starting place for vaginicolid diversity is still the 4th vol. of Kahl's Wimpertiere oder Ciliata (taxonomically outdated, but still very useful). A few years ago, I scanned my copy and uploaded it to the Internet Archive. If you don't already have a copy, you can download it here: https://archive.org/details/1935AlfredK ... nsAndIndex

The Vaginicolidae were revised in Foissner & Berger's comprehensive "Ciliate Atlas" of 1991-95, Band II, pp. 251-283. A. Warren also revised a few vaginicolid genera (such as Platycola and Cothurnia), back in the early 80s; and a number of redescriptions of particular genera have appeared since then. Nothing resembling this tubular structure is depicted in these texts, or in earlier sources, such as Stokes, Kent, or Penard's Etudes sur les Infusoires d'Eau Douce, 1922.

We can also rule out non-peritrich ciliates with hyaline loricae (Metacystis & Vasicola, the tintinnids, Calyptotricha, etc) And ciliates with agglutinated loricae, like Stichotricha and Chaetospira, can be ruled out as well (none has such a transparent

In my own samples, I've met all of these little cuties, and have never seen one that looked anything like this.

In short...it's pretty safe to say this is really not a ciliate lorica.

(Sorry for geeking-out on ciliate taxonomy...it's an obsession! :D)

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#24 Post by exmarine » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:39 am

Hi Bruce, thank you for enlightening me about this critter, I like you I use a lot of reference books but thank you for explaining this time I am wrong and coming up with a conclusion. I don't mind being wrong as long as the definitive answer is given, so I now know who to contact if I need an answer on Protozoa or Algae.
Thanks again Bruce.

All the best.
Thank you :shock:
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