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Phase Contrast Diatoms

#1 Post by rnabholz » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:31 am

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#2 Post by rnabholz » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:33 am

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#3 Post by vasselle » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:55 am

Très belles séries images
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#4 Post by zzffnn » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:35 am

Very nice, Rod!

Did you use the same 40x and 100x dark phase objective for John B's unstained floral bud photos? If so, I wonder why the backgrounds appear brown there, instead of black in your diatom photos here?

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#5 Post by rnabholz » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:35 am

zzffnn wrote:Very nice, Rod!

Did you use the same 40x and 100x dark phase objective for John B's unstained floral bud photos? If so, I wonder why the backgrounds appear brown there, instead of black in your diatom photos here?
Thanks zz

Yes the same set up.

I am not sure what the difference is. Perhaps it could be flare or coloration from the plant material itself? The entire field was covered by the section.

While there is some deritus in the diatom field, it is much less densely covered than the wall to wall coverage in the plant sections.

I believe that I made similar adjustments. Will be happy to find out!
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#6 Post by rnabholz » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:35 am

vasselle wrote:Très belles séries images
Cordialement seb
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#7 Post by KurtM » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:33 pm

I get the same black background through the 100x dark phase lens, although visually it's more of a deep purple color. My AO 10 with bright phase contrast produces a light lavender-ish background color photographically, which is more of a golden brown visually. Always interesting how the camera can see things differently than the eye. Here's a shot through the AO 100x bright phase...


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I think your first one is Cymatopleura. Any reason why no. 3 can't be Navicula? Love the areolae detail!
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#8 Post by rnabholz » Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:04 pm

KurtM wrote:I get the same black background through the 100x dark phase lens, although visually it's more of a deep purple color. My AO 10 with bright phase contrast produces a light lavender-ish background color photographically, which is more of a golden brown visually. Always interesting how the camera can see things differently than the eye. Here's a shot through the AO 100x bright phase...

I think your first one is Cymatopleura. Any reason why no. 3 can't be Navicula? Love the areolae detail!
You are absolutely right about the first one - my mistake, it is indeed Cymatopleura.

I do think that 3 is Navicula too, I was being lazy and didn't look it up to confirm, long tiring day. Thanks.

That bright phase certainly makes thing pop! Pretty, although I think I prefer the dark a bit better. That is not to say if some bright phase objectives popped up I wouldn't avail myself of the opportunity.....

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#9 Post by billben74 » Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:55 pm

Nice images. Many thanks.

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#10 Post by KurtM » Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:25 pm

The AO bright phase objectives are so rare I was convinced they never really existed, and had been added to the earlier catalogs as a practical joke by bored marketing department guys with devilish natures. Aside from the set I got (in a complete stand from our friend Tom), I have only seen one other set come and go. Note: the ones I have are the older style, but still, grab 'em if you see 'em by all means because they're real performers, particularly good for imaging.
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#11 Post by rnabholz » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:38 am

billben74 wrote:Nice images. Many thanks.
Thanks Bill

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#12 Post by gekko » Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:09 am

Rod, very interesting diatom shapes, and very beautiful phase contrast images.
Kurt, your phase contrast image is also very beautiful.
I must try that.

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#13 Post by rnabholz » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:53 am

gekko wrote:Rod, very interesting diatom shapes, and very beautiful phase contrast images.
Kurt, your phase contrast image is also very beautiful.
I must try that.
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#14 Post by c-krebs » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:45 am

Rod,

These are really good.
I'm a little surprised at how nice these small diatoms look with 100X phase.

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#15 Post by rnabholz » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:14 am

Thank you Charles.

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#16 Post by 75RR » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:06 pm

Getting some very nice detail! Especially like 3 and 4
That is quite a difference between your Dark Phase and Bright Phase. Be nice to see the same diatom in both.
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#17 Post by KurtM » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:35 pm

Can't give a same-diatom-in-both just at the moment, but here's as close as I can get. Dark phase contrast first, then bright phase contrast (also known as 'negative phase contrast' and 'positive phase contrast').

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#18 Post by 75RR » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:30 pm

Thanks for the demo Kurt
Have to ask, is your Dark Phase representative or is it extra dark? ;)
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#19 Post by KurtM » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:41 pm

All I can say is that mine gives very dark background (we're talking through the 100x, right?) and evidently so does Rod's. So I'd have to say it's an AO thing. The Zeiss, Olympus KHC, and Nikon Labophot provide bright, or positive, phase contrast so can't compare dark, or negative, phase contrast among makes.
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#20 Post by rnabholz » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:22 pm

75RR wrote:Getting some very nice detail! Especially like 3 and 4
That is quite a difference between your Dark Phase and Bright Phase. Be nice to see the same diatom in both.
Thanks 75.

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#21 Post by gekko » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:42 pm

I may be wrong as usual, but my thinking is that the darkness of the background has much to do with the camera exposure. For example, if the phase image has very bright highlights, then to prevent them from being clipped (blown), you decrease the exposure, which darkens everything, including the background. Or is that not what is happening?
By the way, the additional images showing dark and bright phase contrast are also excellent and very nice and sharp.

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#22 Post by KurtM » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:20 pm

gekko wrote:I may be wrong as usual
Yep, you're correct, as usual. The dark b/g is that way precisely due to the reasons you cite.
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#23 Post by rnabholz » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:23 pm

While it does not speak to the camera exposure point, I came across the passage below while re-reading the AO 10 Series Phase Contrast Reference Manual, and it discusses the brown and blue colorations that I certainly have seen. For what it is worth:
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