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A few botanic cross sections

#1 Post by daruosha » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:44 pm

Hi everybody,

cross section of pathos leaf stem (or petiole).
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4X Achro Na 0.10- Condenser Aperture 0.10 - 10 Images stacked in PS
Safranin and Methylene Blue staining


cross section of a succulent stem
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4x Plan Achro NA 0.10 - Condenser Aperture 0.10
Safranin and Alcian Blue staining
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#2 Post by BramHuntingNematodes » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:07 pm

Neat! What are we looking at here exactly?
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#3 Post by MicroBob » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:23 pm

Hi Daruosh,
nice even sections! The first one could have been a Sansevieria, right?

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Re: A few botanic cross sections

#4 Post by daruosha » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:02 pm

Thanks Bob and BramHuntingNematodes.

I'm sorry that I didn't explain anything at all. I did all the cutting, staining, mounting and photography in one single session (nearly 5 hours) and lost my energy at the very last minute of posting the pictures.

The first image is a cross section of pathos leaf stem (or petiole).

The second image is cross section of a succulent stem (not sure about the exact specie, i'll post pictures of the actual plants for better identification).
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#5 Post by BramHuntingNematodes » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:34 am

Beautiful sections. I would be interested in a rundown of your microtechniques.
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#6 Post by MicroBob » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:51 am

It appears as if your stains have mixed and formed a new colour instead of attatching to different structures. Have you tried the stains alone and have you tried to differntiate them by removing part of the staining so lightly stained structures are destained?

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#7 Post by daruosha » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:03 am

MicroBob wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:51 am
It appears as if your stains have mixed and formed a new colour instead of attatching to different structures. Have you tried the stains alone and have you tried to differntiate them by removing part of the staining so lightly stained structures are destained?

Bob
I found the exact same problem during my photography session. Before applying each stain I washed the sample in alcohol bath, I don't know what is the problem, but certainly I did something wrong and I would like to re-run the whole thing once again in a more control fashion. The quarantine thingy started to melt my brain down...
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#8 Post by daruosha » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:05 am

BramHuntingNematodes wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:34 am
Beautiful sections. I would be interested in a rundown of your microtechniques.
Thanks BramHuntingNematodes for your kind comments. I'm in the process of writing a rather comprehensive document about my sample preparation and a survey of all the techniques I've learned so far. Will start a serial topic very soon on that subject.
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#9 Post by KD Arvidsson » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:50 pm

Great pictures Daruosh! Thanks :D //KD
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#10 Post by shirleey22 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:57 am

which microscope was used? :shock:

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#11 Post by DonSchaeffer » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:37 am

I can never get them neat!

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#12 Post by deBult » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:26 am

If you can read the German language: the microgroup Bonn has a treasure full of cutting and staining technique info plus a description on what plant tissue structures you are actually observing.

http://www.mikroskopie-bonn.de/index.php

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#13 Post by daruosha » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:38 am

KD Arvidsson wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:50 pm
Great pictures Daruosh! Thanks :D //KD
Thank you KD.
shirleey22 wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:57 am
which microscope was used? :shock:
It's a cheap Chinese no name microscope. I've made a few modification. but it's nothing fancy or special at all.
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#14 Post by daruosha » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:44 am

DonSchaeffer wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:37 am
I can never get them neat!
DonSchaeffer , yes you definitely can do it. It's nothing hard or difficult, it's time consuming and all you need is passion. As I mentioned earlier, I'm writing a guide about sample preparation and will start a separate topic.
deBult wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:26 am
If you can read the German language: the microgroup Bonn has a treasure full of cutting and staining technique info plus a description on what plant tissue structures you are actually observing.

http://www.mikroskopie-bonn.de/index.php

Best, deBult
That website is truly a treasure. MicroBob recommended that website earlier and I'm still reading it. There's so much to learn.
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#15 Post by shirleey22 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:16 pm

daruosha wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:38 am
KD Arvidsson wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:50 pm
Great pictures Daruosh! Thanks :D //KD
Thank you KD.
shirleey22 wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:57 am
which microscope was used? :shock:
It's a cheap Chinese no name microscope. I've made a few modification. but it's nothing fancy or special at all.
it looks amazing honestly! <3

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#16 Post by daruosha » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:53 pm

shirleey22 wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:16 pm
it looks amazing honestly! <3
Thanks for your nice comments shirleey22. I assume you have similar swift microscope. Try some specimens and show us your pictures.
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Re: A few botanic cross sections

#17 Post by shirleey22 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:45 pm

daruosha wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:53 pm
shirleey22 wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:16 pm
it looks amazing honestly! <3
Thanks for your nice comments shirleey22. I assume you have similar swift microscope. Try some specimens and show us your pictures.
i had a Swift SW350B but had to return it. I’m expecting my SW380B and i sure will show you some. Thank you! :D

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Re: A few botanic cross sections

#18 Post by MicroBob » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:22 pm

Safranin was part of the old Etzold FSA stain. It was replaced with Chryosidine because this is staining in a bit more differentiated way. But Etzold wouldn't have used it if it were not suitable.
Alcian blue is part of the Wacker W3A stain so it is sure that it is good for plant sections, Wacker new his stains.

Generally some stains are applied until the staining intensitiy is right while others are applied intensively and then revoved as necessary. But I'm no expert here. The FSA and W3A protocols would be a good startig point, but you would just use the one stain out of three you have.

Here is an interesting comparison of staining processes: http://www.mikroskopie-bonn.de/biblioth ... k/303.html
And here the new RDM5 stain which makes use of two of your stains: http://www.mikroskopie-bonn.de/biblioth ... k/300.html
I just got it yesterday but haven't tried it yet. Apparently it gives a nicely differentiated staining in agreeable colours. Acridine red is not longer available and Rhodamine is only a so-so replacement.
This here is a very beautiful stain: https://www.mikroskopie-forum.de/index. ... ic=33452.0 Unfortunately "Kernschwarz" has always been a mystic component and the production process has never been published - and it is no longer available. :cry:

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#19 Post by daruosha » Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:00 pm

Excellent tips Bob.

Tomorrow I'll do another run and try my best to document my process. Hopefully the result will be much better. I was rather successfully in the past when it comes to staining botanic cross sections. My biggest problem is that I don't follow my exact protocol (I like to take shortcuts) and last time my laziness bit me. I'll try to stick to correct staining periods/timings.
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