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Zeiss Standard WL digital camera?

#1 Post by docwarhol » Thu Jun 28, 2018 3:07 pm

I have an older Zeiss Standard WL (I believe) with the original Zeiss Ikon film camera . What do I need to hook up a modern digital camera? I have several Canon DSLRs, if that matters. Thank you. Need to resize the photo I took of the microscope, and will attach later.

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#2 Post by 75RR » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:59 pm

Hi docwarhol,

congratulations on owning a fine microscope!

This link to Charles Krebs' site + articles should get you started.

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=882

+ link to an article at micscape that you may find interesting.

http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/art ... camera.pdf
I have an older Zeiss Standard WL (I believe) with the original Zeiss Ikon film camera
Do post some photos of it in the My microscope section.
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#3 Post by Charles » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:38 am

I use two different methods of attaching my Canon EOS camera to my Zeiss.

If you have the adapter with the 35mm camera attached, you can take the iris mechanism out of the adapter and use a screw in Canon adapter attached to the top. You will also need a relay lens in the photo tube.

Here is what mine looks like:
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The second option is to get a microscope adapter to Canon adapter like this which just slides into your photo tube:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Microscope-Ada ... SwFZtbMQp8

Here is what mine looks like:
Camera Option 2.jpg
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And, if you have a Canon EOS, you can use the EOS Utility program to give you live view on your computer or monitor and make still shots or movies.

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#4 Post by 75RR » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:24 am

Hi Charles,
Interesting plate riser in the first image. Can I bother you for more photos of it?
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#5 Post by Hobbyst46 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:12 am

75RR wrote:Hi Charles,
Interesting plate riser in the first image. Can I bother you for more photos of it?
Joining the request, and asking: is the extra base plate important for stability of the microscope, given the heavy camera adapter, or just to enable fitting the lamp housing?
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#6 Post by Charles » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:21 pm

The base came with another microscope and it fit my Zeiss WL with a cutout in the back, which fits the 100W halogen illuminator. The base is made of some type of synthetic stone and I like it for not just accommodating the lighting but also for added stability with the wide base and securing clamps in the front.
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#7 Post by 75RR » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:41 am

Thanks Charles ... pretty neat!
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#8 Post by arnev » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:01 am

Charles wrote:I use two different methods of attaching my Canon EOS camera to my Zeiss.

If you have the adapter with the 35mm camera attached, you can take the iris mechanism out of the adapter and use a screw in Canon adapter attached to the top. You will also need a relay lens in the photo tube.

The second option is to get a microscope adapter to Canon adapter which just slides into your photo tube
I have a problem related to this. I got a Zeiss Standard 16 but I think 16 can use the same head as WL so I hope it is ok that i continue in this thread.

My Zeiss Standard 16 is attached to a Canon 7D using T2 adapter (2), objective 63 in T2 mount (3) and adapter ring for 40 mm tube (4) (Like this, but with 7D).
It does not fill the sensor of the 7D. What can I do to fix this? Am I missing a part from the original setup, or would I be better off getting a microscope adapter from eBay?

Part descriptions from a manual:
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My images comes out like the attached image:
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#9 Post by 75RR » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:50 am

I think it would be helpful if you posted actual images of each individual part as well as an overall image.
Do include one of what you call 'objective 63'
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#10 Post by MichaelG. » Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:00 pm

The so-called 'Ojective 63' is effectively an objective lens [63mm focal length] for the camera, and is intended for afocal imaging.

I think what you are missing from the set-up is a microscope eyepiece.

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#11 Post by 75RR » Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:13 pm

MichaelG. wrote:I think what you are missing from the set-up is a microscope eyepiece.
It may be an idea to place a 'normal' eyepiece in the top part of the Siedentopf trinocular phototube. Perhaps the function of the 'Objective 63' is to turn it into a projecting eyepiece.
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#12 Post by 75RR » Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:21 pm

If the above does not help then you could also try raising or lowering the 'adapter ring for 40mm tube', as it looks adjustable.
Perhaps it has an effect on the camera field of view .
Then again it may just affect the fine focus.
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#13 Post by Hobbyst46 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:34 pm

MichaelG. wrote:I think what you are missing from the set-up is a microscope eyepiece.
Indeed, a KPL 10x/20 W eyepiece appears to be required, in the Zeiss manual and photo of the head-and-camera assembly above. In addition to the MC63.
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#14 Post by arnev » Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:34 pm

Thank you guys. It did indeed help to insert an eyepiece into the phototube.

The eyepiece I am using is a S-Kpl 10x/20 (46 40 40)
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#15 Post by Hobbyst46 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:24 pm

Good news, arnev. Looks like there is no CA in the photo.
May I ask, does your setup include a camera lens or is it focal - just the eyepiece, MC63 adapter and the camera body?
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#16 Post by 75RR » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:41 pm

arnev wrote:It did indeed help to insert an eyepiece into the phototube.
Good to hear. You may want to adjust the height of that eyepiece to bring it into sharpest focus.
There is a 10mm height adjustment available once you loosen the Allen key screw on the phototube.
Just peer down it as you would on the binoculars, turn to focus and tighten.
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#17 Post by arnev » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:56 pm

Hobbyst46 wrote:Good news, arnev. Looks like there is no CA in the photo.
May I ask, does your setup include a camera lens or is it focal - just the eyepiece, MC63 adapter and the camera body?
No lens on the camera, just the eyepiece and MC63 adapter (with T2 adapter for Canon EOS instead of the original T2 adapter for Contax)
75RR wrote:If the above does not help then you could also try raising or lowering the 'adapter ring for 40mm tube', as it looks adjustable.
Perhaps it has an effect on the camera field of view .
This does effect the camera field of view.

I am using a Canon 7D with APS-C sensor (22.3 x 14.9 mm)
Maybe a camera with full size sensor would be a better choice.

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#18 Post by billbillt » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:14 am

Charles wrote:I use two different methods of attaching my Canon EOS camera to my Zeiss.

If you have the adapter with the 35mm camera attached, you can take the iris mechanism out of the adapter and use a screw in Canon adapter attached to the top. You will also need a relay lens in the photo tube.

Here is what mine looks like:
Camera Option 1.jpg

The second option is to get a microscope adapter to Canon adapter like this which just slides into your photo tube:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Microscope-Ada ... SwFZtbMQp8

Here is what mine looks like:
Camera Option 2.jpg

And, if you have a Canon EOS, you can use the EOS Utility program to give you live view on your computer or monitor and make still shots or movies.

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#19 Post by wstenberg » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:11 pm

OK, I removed the iris mechanism from the large Zeiss adapter as suggested by Charles. Now I have a big hole where the M35 camera was attached. I'll need some sort of big adapter ring to fit in it. Is this something you buy? or something you make?

Also there were some other little bits in the light path, a prism and light detector. I removed them, but it looks like they are still intact in the photo. I was thinking of just plugging up the holes where I took them out.
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