This is about ringing with a single sealant, that serves for sealing, protection of the resin layer from humidity and alcohols and immersion oil, and provides am esthetic appearance as much as practicable.
As described in a previous post, ringing slides with nail polish (NP) by means of the DIY ("short-term rotation") ringing table worked for me. It is equally convenient for other lacquers and paints.
However, I was annoyed to find that the NP rings were not compatible with immersion oil. Namely, immersion oil, upon long-term contact (say, an hour) with the ring dissolved it and caused swelling. Is this a new finding ??? this happened even when the oil drop was laid on the ring several days after ringing; the NP layer must have been dry for all practical purposes.
Naturally, the specific NP brand was suspected. So I tried it with three other brands as well, and got the same result more or less.
An extensive test is planned, on as many brands of NP that I can gather around.
A shellac ring was destroyed by the oil.
Model paints, Revell and Humbrol, also failed upon several hours exposure to immersion oil.
So I tried Hammerite, a "direct on rust" white oil-based paint. Placed an oil drop on it two days after ringing. So far, an exposure of 10 hours did not harm the ring.
Note: I am using Cargille immersion oil type A, bought less than a year ago.
Compatibilty of slide rings sealants with immersion oil
Re: Compatibilty of slide rings sealants with immersion oil
Hi Doron,
the german Wikipedia is quite imformative on nail polish: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagellack
Apparently this is/used to be nitrocellulose dissolved in butylacetate or etylacetate. When you buy the most old fahioned nail polish this is probably what you get. And this might give you a starting point for a search for resistances against solventy. Classic nail polish remover contained a lot of acetone but today this is not so widely used anymore.
Here in germany the likelyhood to get a classic solvent based paint is best when you look for paints sold for use by professionals. I'm quite sure that you could learn something when you would visit a nail studio in a less busy moment. Since this might be quite funny too: Please don't forget to report here!
I learned about UV cements from a femal apprentice who shoved her hands in my face and said: "See - I did these myself!".
Bob
the german Wikipedia is quite imformative on nail polish: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagellack
Apparently this is/used to be nitrocellulose dissolved in butylacetate or etylacetate. When you buy the most old fahioned nail polish this is probably what you get. And this might give you a starting point for a search for resistances against solventy. Classic nail polish remover contained a lot of acetone but today this is not so widely used anymore.
Here in germany the likelyhood to get a classic solvent based paint is best when you look for paints sold for use by professionals. I'm quite sure that you could learn something when you would visit a nail studio in a less busy moment. Since this might be quite funny too: Please don't forget to report here!
I learned about UV cements from a femal apprentice who shoved her hands in my face and said: "See - I did these myself!".
Bob
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Re: Compatibilty of slide rings sealants with immersion oil
Maybe it is the oil. I have had success with mineral oil, (R. I. 1.46) or maybe try making a ring with, of all things, polyurethane. Shellac will not hold up. I've tried that under various conditions without success. I had some inexpensive prepared slides that were fine until I used cedar oil for immersion. In no time the cover glass came off and the slide was destroyed. I put all of them in the trash.
Greg
Greg
Re: Compatibilty of slide rings sealants with immersion oil
I think I can overcoat NP-sealed slides with the Hammerite. Those are collected, cleaned and processed diatoms, trash is the last option.Greg Howald wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:58 pmMaybe it is the oil. I have had success with mineral oil, (R. I. 1.46) or maybe try making a ring with, of all things, polyurethane. Shellac will not hold up. I've tried that under various conditions without success. I had some inexpensive prepared slides that were fine until I used cedar oil for immersion. In no time the cover glass came off and the slide was destroyed. I put all of them in the trash.
Greg
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Re: Compatibilty of slide rings sealants with immersion oil
I thank you for that solution. Greg
Re: Compatibilty of slide rings sealants with immersion oil
So I received seven more jars of consumer colored nail polish of various internationally known makes, and tested them all. Painted a ring on a microscope slide and let it dry in the room, at around 20C. After 24 hours, I placed a drop of Cargille Type A immersion oil within the ring. 12 hours later I inspected them with my stereo microscope. All rings swelled and the nail polish pigment slightly dissolved and leaked into the oil. I did not take any photos, but the view was unmistakable. This swelling is a slow process, so probably a few minutes of immersion will not destroy the slide, and the oil can be wiped; however, after several microscopy sessions, cumulative damage to the slide is possible. A similar ring of white anti-rust Hammerite paint was not affected by the oil.
My conclusion is that the compatibility of the ringing material with immersion oil should be verified.
Maybe I had stupidly missed published warnings about such incompatibility of nail polish. If anyone knows, please comment.
My conclusion is that the compatibility of the ringing material with immersion oil should be verified.
Maybe I had stupidly missed published warnings about such incompatibility of nail polish. If anyone knows, please comment.