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Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:22 am
by Scoper
I would like to see a discussion concerning what works for you when collecting and viewing pond life.
What scopes, techniques (brightfield/darkfield/phase/etc) do you use?
What magnifications are most commonly used?
What tools/techniques for sample collections and lab hardware do you use?
Concerning taking pictures/videos, what equipment/techniques do you use?
Any other sites/forums covering pond life you would recommend?
What books would you recommend on the subject?
Thanks
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:39 am
by WWWW
Nice initiative !
I will shortly describe my workflow
Collecting
with a small jar on a rope used to collect superficial material from the soil. Sometimes some plant material is also collected.
Preparing a sample
At home, preparations are made with pipettes and by occasionally using a preparation needle.
Light source
With the microscope, I use almost only bright field.
Observing
To look for organisms in the specimen, the 4x and 10x objectives are used first. If something is found the 40x.
Camera
A Moticam camera attached to the laptop is used.
Literature
Determining with the (German-language) book: Das Leben im Wassertropfen.
Search the internet.
Another very good and informative book (in German):
http://www.mikrohamburg.de/Tips/PlanktonGerdSchmahl.pdf
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:20 am
by dtsh
Most of my ditch dipping is for mosquitoes, but I do occasionally bring a sample in to look at more closely.
I tend to use my AO10 with phase for most stuff, but I will sometimes use darkfield or regular brightfield.
Of all the stuff I have, I think my dipper is most interesting. It's just a typical plastic bottle cut up so that it's the bottom 1/4 or so with a 1 inch/25mm strip along the side as a tang which I tape to the pole. It's been quite handy.
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Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:34 am
by Scoper
Thank you for the responses…it is helpful to know what others use.
Anybody else?
Thanks
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:52 pm
by Scoper
What magnifications are most frequently used?
Is 400x useful?
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:58 am
by Phill Brown
20x .5na is useful, sometimes 10x isn't quite enough but 40 .65 d.o.f is also more limited, when using well slides with a ring,40x working distance can limit viewing the boundaries, unless you have LWD or inverted
Rotating table is a nice thing to have.
I.R filter if you have halogen, reduces convection and boiling sensitive critters.
LED is still not my preference but each to their own.
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:47 pm
by einman
I generally use pipettes or a Turkey Baster (giant Pipette!). I use brighfield, either an inverted microscope and petri dishes or regular stand with well slides. I start with 10X/20X to locate a subject then zoom in as needed.
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:05 pm
by Scoper
Thanks for the advice.
I have have an inverted Hund scope with 4x, 10x and 20x and I am looking for a 40x LWD phase objective which is very hard to find.
Of course ‘more power’ is always wanted but I am wondering how often I would use it.
Thoughts?
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:03 am
by Phill Brown
Scoper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:05 pm
Thanks for the advice.
I have have an inverted Hund scope with 4x, 10x and 20x and I am looking for a 40x LWD phase objective which is very hard to find.
Of course ‘more power’ is always wanted but I am wondering how often I would use it.
Thoughts?
Yes you would probably get enough use to make it worth having.
Maybe pick up a LWD 40x without phase if you find one.
That way you can better decide the value of adding phase if it turns up.
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:07 am
by macnmotion
For pond life I have a 40x oil immersion objective and a 40x phase objective. I (almost) always use the oil for my videos. Much better clarity.
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:13 pm
by Scoper
What power is your oil objective?
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:18 pm
by macnmotion
If you're referring to me, 40x oil.
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:02 pm
by Phill Brown
It's a case of N/A. The reduced d.o.f is a trade off for higher resolution.
I have 50x .95 oil which is good for resolution but 40x .65 is much less fussy for anything moving in suspension.
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:03 pm
by Scoper
When using oil, how are your live specimens contained?
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:21 am
by macnmotion
Scoper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:03 pm
When using oil, how are your live specimens contained?
I'm careful to not overfill. The cover glass contains the water without anything leaking. I tried cavity slides which are fine for lower power, but with 40x the depth of those slides cause too many focus issues. I'm considering a petri dish with a cover glass bottom built in but here in Thailand they're ridiculously expensive to order.
Re: Collection/viewing of pond life..what works for you?
Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:37 am
by JWW
Mine is pretty simple, a field scope, a few test tubes with plugs, a couple of small bottles, a toothbrush, some pipettes, slides, a few cover slips, clean water, and a couple of small microfiber cloths. Once back home, process and photograph with a real scope. I have quite a few scopes to choose from.
-JW: