Schmidt objective

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Schmidt objective

#1 Post by MichaelG. » Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:28 pm

In recent news: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-023-01740-9

The full 21 page article is linked from that briefing note:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-023-01717-8.pdf

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Re: Schmidt objective

#2 Post by Scarodactyl » Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:16 am

This did look very interesting and I am curious how well it will work in practice (especially the part about being less expensive to make, the mentioned ASI/special optics objectives are like 20k and up).

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Re: Schmidt objective

#3 Post by apochronaut » Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:02 am

I like the idea. It theoretically solves some of the problems assiciated with the Cassagrain objectives but it does specify a " collimated " light source. How collimated? Do you need another objective as a condenser, as is the case with the Cassegrains?

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Re: Schmidt objective

#4 Post by patta » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:06 am

That is very nice, I like the idea of using the immersed mirror as main magnification element - so it doesn't care about the refractive index of the immersion medium.

Their application is looking inside larvas of fish - pretty thick and irregular specimen, so they want to match the index of the refractive medium with the inner body tissues.
They've used it in Confocal scanning configuration, it doesn't need a condenser, is like coaxial reflected illumination, see the beamsplitter in the setup.

The "highly collimated laser light" is for another unrelated trick to make confocal scanning even more contrasty, deep in the thick specimen (that us amateur cannot afford): two-photon fluorescence, meaning you shoot the illumination laser so crazy powerful that where the illumination is concentrated (at the focal point inside the specimen) the photons are very dense and they work together: two photons of 600nm wavelength "fuse" and work as one UV photon 300nm; this one high energy photon excite fluorescence.

This method is very useful to observe thick specimens, since the photons "fuse" only in the focal point, while everywhere else they're just normal 600nm photons, that do not excite fluorescence. So you get fluorescence only in the focal point that you're observing, where there are those "300nm photons", and no haze or mess from out-of-focus stuff.
- sorry for the weakly related pontification, long time since -
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Re: Schmidt objective

#5 Post by patta » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:30 am

Oh remembered, I've made a similar setup time ago: observing a small spherical mirror with 4x objective.
No confocal, immersion nor two-photons. Immersion could be done with a chamber, but not easy to put the microscope horizontal (oh wait, the old horseshoe stand tilts)

How to make the spherical mirror:
-take a small rectangle of aluminium or brass plate, or a coin (better if polished, but also rough works)
- take a steel ball from ball bearing, 3 to 8 mm diameter
-clean all and oil the coin (immersion oil, n=1.52 recommended)
-press the ball in the coin, in a a vice or with an hammer blow
- voilà, you have a pretty decent concave mirror
( incidentally, see my profile photo for details of the process ;) )

The mirror itself alone can work as high magnification objective. (Apochromatic! Lot of spherical aberration though)
Put on the microscope stage is more manageable; only the 4x objective has enough field and working distance to get the focus of the mirror. The mirror works then as "magnification and NA boost".
The difficulty now is how to hang a specimen a few mm over it; all that I've manage to watch was the dust over the front lens of the objectives....

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