Sea creature
Sea creature
Cordial greetings
I found this restless creature that swam quickly everywhere, I have no clue what it is.
What struck me most is that it apparently vibrates the water around it.
What is it?
Thank you.
I found this restless creature that swam quickly everywhere, I have no clue what it is.
What struck me most is that it apparently vibrates the water around it.
What is it?
Thank you.
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Great shots!
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Thanks DonSchaeffer.
Any clue?
Any clue?
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Looks like a Tardigrade (water bear) to me, which means it’s probably not!
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Zuul . Very funny
Thanks, probably is
Thanks, probably is
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Really cool! I'll say, it initially looks like a tardigrade. There are different species as well as classes of tardigrade. Some, depending on their environment, can look a little different. I think the typical idea of a tardigrade are tardigrades from the Eutardigrada class, but tardigrades from other classes (mesotardigrada or heterotardigrada) can look a lot different and more similar to your picture. Look at this for instance https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Hab ... _318469778
If this is a tardigrade, my best guess is that it would be from the heterotardigrada class. But I feel hesitant to say that it is for sure a tardigrade or give a species. Here is why:
First, tardigrades tend to have 8 legs. Three on each side and then two at the bottom. But the two legs at the bottom typically look like the other six legs, or at least this is what I could conclude from images that I saw. In the case of this organism, the bottom appendages look vastly different from the first six appendages.
Second, tardigrades usually have 4-6 claws on each foot. The organism you found seems to have 5 or 6? It is hard to tell but there could even be more - there seems to be a lot smaller, wispy claws or appendages as well. But the legs in the front (near the head) seem to have only 3 claws? This inconsistency, as well as the fact that each of the other legs could have more than 6 claws (because of all the wispy, smaller ones) is really odd. But everything else looks like a tardigrade, which is what confuses me!
I decided to go the route of trying to identify this organism via the morphology of its claws. The link that I linked above has good pictures of claws with the species or family of tardigrade underneath. I unfortunately couldn't find a match to the claws of the organism you found. Nothing was as wispy and long as the claws of this organism. Most claws that I could see, and most species that I could find all had very short and curved, literally bear claw-like claws. The majority had four claws, too. But this organism has claws -- should I even call them claws? I'm not sure -- that look like a brush or a duster, something like that!
I found some that had similar claws, but nothing that was a match.
These are:
Stygarctus
Echiniscoides
Isoechiniscoides
Trogolarctus
But the claws are not a perfect match and if you search up those tardigrades, they do not look like your organism. Echiniscoides, which has the closest claw that I could find to the organism you found, has claws that are all sized nearly equally, that are thick, short, and curved. So not the claws (?) that this organism in question has. Moreover, nothing that I could find have the same head appendages as the organism you found does.
Lastly, you said that this organism moved quickly everywhere, but don't tardigrades move slow?
I looked at a bunch of pictures as well as some research papers. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything in terms of tardigrade that looked like your organism. I initially thought that this organism is a tardigrade, but after a little searching I actually doubt that it is a tardigrade.
Where did you find this organism? What kind of body of water?
In summary, I would say that the closest thing in terms of tardigrade to your organism is Echiniscoides from the class heterotardigrada. But I am not convinced that your organism is a tardigrade, even though it looks a lot like one. I'm not an expert at all, so maybe someone else will know more, and perhaps will have an ID! These are just my conclusions from some googling and looking at papers and images. Hopefully it helps a little bit towards the identification of this organism!
If this is a tardigrade, my best guess is that it would be from the heterotardigrada class. But I feel hesitant to say that it is for sure a tardigrade or give a species. Here is why:
First, tardigrades tend to have 8 legs. Three on each side and then two at the bottom. But the two legs at the bottom typically look like the other six legs, or at least this is what I could conclude from images that I saw. In the case of this organism, the bottom appendages look vastly different from the first six appendages.
Second, tardigrades usually have 4-6 claws on each foot. The organism you found seems to have 5 or 6? It is hard to tell but there could even be more - there seems to be a lot smaller, wispy claws or appendages as well. But the legs in the front (near the head) seem to have only 3 claws? This inconsistency, as well as the fact that each of the other legs could have more than 6 claws (because of all the wispy, smaller ones) is really odd. But everything else looks like a tardigrade, which is what confuses me!
I decided to go the route of trying to identify this organism via the morphology of its claws. The link that I linked above has good pictures of claws with the species or family of tardigrade underneath. I unfortunately couldn't find a match to the claws of the organism you found. Nothing was as wispy and long as the claws of this organism. Most claws that I could see, and most species that I could find all had very short and curved, literally bear claw-like claws. The majority had four claws, too. But this organism has claws -- should I even call them claws? I'm not sure -- that look like a brush or a duster, something like that!
I found some that had similar claws, but nothing that was a match.
These are:
Stygarctus
Echiniscoides
Isoechiniscoides
Trogolarctus
But the claws are not a perfect match and if you search up those tardigrades, they do not look like your organism. Echiniscoides, which has the closest claw that I could find to the organism you found, has claws that are all sized nearly equally, that are thick, short, and curved. So not the claws (?) that this organism in question has. Moreover, nothing that I could find have the same head appendages as the organism you found does.
Lastly, you said that this organism moved quickly everywhere, but don't tardigrades move slow?
I looked at a bunch of pictures as well as some research papers. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything in terms of tardigrade that looked like your organism. I initially thought that this organism is a tardigrade, but after a little searching I actually doubt that it is a tardigrade.
Where did you find this organism? What kind of body of water?
In summary, I would say that the closest thing in terms of tardigrade to your organism is Echiniscoides from the class heterotardigrada. But I am not convinced that your organism is a tardigrade, even though it looks a lot like one. I'm not an expert at all, so maybe someone else will know more, and perhaps will have an ID! These are just my conclusions from some googling and looking at papers and images. Hopefully it helps a little bit towards the identification of this organism!
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Mazzo4033
Excellent and very interesting data collected by you. Even when you claim not to be an expert you show a lot of knowledge, passion and taste for this topic. I thank you for your willingness and time to discover this little rascal. The capture of the sample was made in the sea shores of the Atlantic Ocean, with a planktom net and some nylon stockings inside the net that catch everything that is crossed. From what I see in your pleasant research, comparisons and data collected i also came to the conclusion that it is unlikely that this is a tardigrade.
I made a short video ,I'm going to try to show it.
Excellent and very interesting data collected by you. Even when you claim not to be an expert you show a lot of knowledge, passion and taste for this topic. I thank you for your willingness and time to discover this little rascal. The capture of the sample was made in the sea shores of the Atlantic Ocean, with a planktom net and some nylon stockings inside the net that catch everything that is crossed. From what I see in your pleasant research, comparisons and data collected i also came to the conclusion that it is unlikely that this is a tardigrade.
I made a short video ,I'm going to try to show it.
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I'm glad what I found helped, Sabatini!
You mentioned plankton net and I realized something - zooplankton often have those wispy, fiber-like appendages! Just like the ones that the organism you found has. If you search up zooplankton, lots of them have appendages very similar (and much closer than tardigrades) to the organism you found has. I have not found a match to the organism in terms of zooplankton, and I don't know if zooplankton move fast like you said this organism does. So I do not think that this organism is a zooplankton. But the fact that zooplankton do have similar wispy appendages makes me think that this organism is in some way related.
I'd love to see the video - perhaps its movement would help in identification. I think it would also be interesting to have a closer look at the two appendages on the bottom of the organism if possible. For some reason, it piques my interest. Perhaps more detail on it would help identification as well?
You mentioned plankton net and I realized something - zooplankton often have those wispy, fiber-like appendages! Just like the ones that the organism you found has. If you search up zooplankton, lots of them have appendages very similar (and much closer than tardigrades) to the organism you found has. I have not found a match to the organism in terms of zooplankton, and I don't know if zooplankton move fast like you said this organism does. So I do not think that this organism is a zooplankton. But the fact that zooplankton do have similar wispy appendages makes me think that this organism is in some way related.
I'd love to see the video - perhaps its movement would help in identification. I think it would also be interesting to have a closer look at the two appendages on the bottom of the organism if possible. For some reason, it piques my interest. Perhaps more detail on it would help identification as well?
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I would say it is a worm. A Polychaete (bristle worm) There are apparently over 10 000 marine species!
Link is for a Key of the Pacific coast of North America, so different ocean ...
https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/ ... sAllowed=y
Here is an extract from page 58
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Link is for a Key of the Pacific coast of North America, so different ocean ...
https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/ ... sAllowed=y
Here is an extract from page 58
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Yes! It looks like that is the organism. Great find, 75RR!
And Sabatini’s organism would be the larvae of the bristle worm.
I couldn’t find an identification guide for the Atlantic Ocean like the one 75RR found for the Pacific coast of North America. Found one for the German Bight, though: https://hmr.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf ... entral.com
And Sabatini’s organism would be the larvae of the bristle worm.
I couldn’t find an identification guide for the Atlantic Ocean like the one 75RR found for the Pacific coast of North America. Found one for the German Bight, though: https://hmr.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf ... entral.com
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Thanks mazo4033mazo4033 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:38 pmYes! It looks like that is the organism. Great find, 75RR! :D
And Sabatini’s organism would be the larvae of the bristle worm.
I couldn’t find an identification guide for the Atlantic Ocean like the one 75RR found for the Pacific coast of North America. Found one for the German Bight, though: https://hmr.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf ... entral.com
Good catch on the German Bight Guide which is technically in the Atlantic
Image 71 on page 51 of the German Bight Guide shows Nereis pelagica (same as in the Pacific Guide) so a pretty cosmopolitan worm!
Not saying that is what it is, but the description in the image below may help clarify that one way or another.
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Mazo4033
Thank you for allá your kind attention.
It seems that finally thanks to the valuable information and bibliography of 75RR the identity of the organism was known.
Most likely it is platynereis bicanaliculata.
I am very grateful for your kind cooperation and the knowledge acquired.
Thank you for allá your kind attention.
It seems that finally thanks to the valuable information and bibliography of 75RR the identity of the organism was known.
Most likely it is platynereis bicanaliculata.
I am very grateful for your kind cooperation and the knowledge acquired.
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I'm glad that the mystery has been solved!
It's definitely new to me that worm larvae could look a lot like tardigrades. I never knew they could have bristles like that either! Very cool. Thank you, Sabatini, for sharing, and thank you 75RR for figuring out that it is Polychaete larva!
It's definitely new to me that worm larvae could look a lot like tardigrades. I never knew they could have bristles like that either! Very cool. Thank you, Sabatini, for sharing, and thank you 75RR for figuring out that it is Polychaete larva!